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she has got karl rove and much more. greta: and much more. throw that ball. first, governor sarah palin goes roca, and now, -- goes rogue, and now, dede scozzafava goes rogue. and secretary of state clinton. and we have president bush. both on the record just minutes away, but first, check your watch. we are just a little away from election day. it is sizzling hot in new york. and they are getting ready to put some political pain on president obama. many people think tomorrow's races on the first test of the obama star power and political power. is that true?
karl rove joins us live. karl, i have been tipped off that you have been madly scribbling. what do you have there? >> there is a summary of the races, which i will be happy to show you at the appropriate moment. it is amazing at how they can bring things together in sort of the complex, the labyrinth form here. greta: i cannot resist the tease -- elaborate form here. >> and virginia, there have been nine polls since one week ago, and nine out of nine polls, the republican bob mcdonnell is in the lead. in chris christie, he leads if you averaged them all out by less than 1%, 0.7%, but the movement does to appear to be in his direction. the quinnipiac poll had chris
christie down to jon corzine, and today, they released a poll showing him up by two, still a very close race, as you said, in new jersey, and it may come down to the wire. greta: new jersey, new york, and virginia, these are three very important races, are they not ? if you live in my state of wisconsin, what would you bedazzled by these? >> there is another critical state that has not been given much attention. for example, in new jersey, barack obama carried the state in the fall of 2008 with 57% of the vote, so we will be looking closely tomorrow to see what percentages they get in the governorship to see what kind of swing there might have been from 2008. in virginia, for example, barack
obama won the state by six points. if there is truly a 14% 34 bob mcdonnell, that would be a 20- point swing -- if there truly is a 14-point change with bob. they try to get an unbeatable republican congressman to resign to become secretary of army in the obama administration, and today, as you see there in the polls, doug hoffman, the conservative, he is leading bill owens, despite the endorsement of who used to be the republican candidate, state assemblywoman dede scozzafava, and it could give us a sense of how big a
swing there could be in the 2010 elections away from the democrats. greta: the race in the new york 23rd district -- the polls are about to open in new york state, and we think that scozzafava, who was the republican, not only did she jumped out a couple of days ago, she has turned around as a republican and endorsed bill owens, the democrats, so she has gone rogue. >> i am not certain how big an impact that will be. it was said that most of the people supporting her, more republicans, that were supporting her out of a sense of loyalty. -- more republicans. she was supported by 11 county chairmen. by law, the chairs in a district like this select. she was endorsed by all 11 chair people.
it is no longer smoke-filled back rooms but pepperoni-filled back rims, most of felt like they had to supporter. -- back rooms, most of whom felt they had to support her. this is after she said she was an oil republican. it is going to be a close race. in new york, as you know, people can vote for candidates in the third party, and this state has had a history of electing candidates who are concerned. for example, a former senator was elected, beating a republican and a democrat. greta: but she could have gone quietly, and after being endorsed by sarah palin, tim pawlenty, the newt gingrich went for the republican candidate, but anyway, she could have gone
quietly and had a parting shot. she's sort of kick to the party in her teeth -- she sort of kicked the party in the teeth. >> we know that the speaker of new york called her, that white house officials call her, the democratic national committee calder, and they really put the squeeze on her -- called her, and they really put the squeeze on turkey and her feelings were hurt. greta: that is bad. -- put the squeeze on her. her feelings were hurt. greta: that is bad. >> remember, and doug hoffman went through the process of being interviewed by the 11 chairmen, and when they did not pick camera, his feelings were
hurt. doug hoffman is in the race today, and i think probably the favorite, because he had feelings after the first round, where he thought he had been dealt a poor hand, and he expected to be the nominee of the party, and when he was not, he took the conservative party line, and he is poised to tomorrow to have a victory. greta: now, the close race in new jersey. we have one minute left, but who isn't going to be? governor corzine? -- who is it going to be? >> chris christie has some wind in his sails. but in some of these big urban counties, there is a history of some shenanigans taking place on election day. in the quinnipiac poll, corzine was up by five. he got the benefits sunday of
two visits, two stops, by president obama. he made two different stobbs, one in the northern part of the state and one in the southern part of the state -- he made two different stops. they were attacking chris christie for going around with wilson, but he was not campaigning for christie. creigh deeds, he had gimmal rand -- he had jim moran stand up. these are from campaigns that are a little bit desperate, saying things desperate to maybe shift the dynamic a little bit. greta: and my favorite part is when they start calling each other "fat," which was, as you know, part of the race in new jersey.
the polls are opening. >> before tomorrow night, get some sleep. my god, woman, you have been around the world. greta: yes, i may get crabby or something. all right, get ready for an "on the record" live vote. text your answer to fnc tv. text a for helpbed, b for hurt, and your results are coming up later. and overseas, two huge interviews. secretary of state clinton made headlines around the world forgetting really tough with pakistan about terrorism and much more. now, you are going to get the inside story directly from her, secretary clinton, and president george h.w. bush. it has been over 20 years since that ugly berlin wall came tumbling down.
attention. we asked her about all of the attention she was getting. >> well, i have had a great trip. this is the third day of a three day trip, and i have really gotten out to talk to people and listen to them and try to explain what we're trying to do. so we were trying to dispel some of the misconceptions. greta: you were tough on them. you said in one " that you found it tough to believe that nobody in your government knew where al qaeda was and could not get them. -- you said that in one quote you found it tough to believe. >> we have been friends and allies of pakistan going back to their beginning, but there is a deeper level of mistrust and suspicion about america's intentions that have built up over the last 80 years. when we came into office, we looked at the research -- over
the last eight years. we have a common threat that we have to pursue together, but there was not the understanding that we wanted. i would not just talk to government officials, as important as that is, but get out into different settings, business groups, and really listen to people, and they said to me very clearly, "look, we have a trust deficit with you," and i said that was a two-way street. we maybe have not always done as well as we could in our relationship, but people back home want to know, well, why does al qaeda have a safe haven in pakistan? how can we arrest someone and find that he was trained by someone in a training camp in pakistan? i think that is the kind of relationship we need to have. we are impressed with the campaign the military is running against the pakistan taliban here and in south waziristan, but our common to our friends in
pakistan is that that is an important and necessary step for you to take, but remember, there is a terrorist kucinich dewitt al qaeda at the head. they inspire. -- there is a terrorist threat with al qaeda at the head. it cannot just be that of cleared out south waziristan. i truly believe we have to get rid of these sorts of the senate and a lot of the problems that the rest of us face. -- the source of the syndicate and a lot of the problems that the rest of us space. greta: we are responsible, for instance, for the violence that they have just had, some believe, that it has pushed down into pakistan and that is, in some parts, our responsibility. is it in part our responsibility, or is it them
just blaming us? >> that is the dialogue of is talking about. clearly, al qaeda left afghanistan -- that is the dialogue i was talking about. to that extent, if we had done a better job going into a afghanistan and captured the people who attacked us and kill them, we would maybe be in a different position, but there are homegrown terrorists here in pakistan. they have a common cause with al qaeda, so we can look backwards with the rearview mirror and said we could have and should have and would have, and you should have and could have, too. there is that pakistan taliban that is causing destruction. there was that terrible bombing the other day. but that is not enough. you have to help us get al qaeda. you will be more secure if you help us get the people who are helping to fund and train and equip the very people you are
clinton. another one of the controversies here is the aid with the united states. we have an enormous coal. forget the humanitarian reasons. a stable government -- we have an enormous goal. there is the homegrown terrorism that gets sent over to the united states, but they do not like it when we give them aid, and we say there are strings attached to it. >> we had a lot of discussion about that, because this became a very big issue. pakistan, and i do not think most of us in america really understood what is the beef? we are trying to demonstrate a long-term commitment to the development of pakistan, to your energy sector, to your infrastructure, the kinds of things that will provide a greater level of stability for the people of pakistan because their incomes will be rising, in their futures will look better.
in the three days that i have been here, we could have raised some things differently. we could have been a little more sensitive to how we are perceived. i have been very clear. "look, if you guys do not want the aid, you do not have to take it. i think is important that we have this relationship." they came back to say, "look, we did not understand what you were talking about." there is room for misunderstanding. we need to clear the air, and we need to do with on an ongoing basis. greta: there is some thought that the aid to pakistan was going to terrorists to in-flight problems in india. -- to inflict problems in india. would they not understand that we would want to know where the money goes and what we would put the strings on it? >> i think they do understand it. their concern was some of the
way that we were did what is the accountability, that we have to be accountable to the american taxpayer, and i said that over and over again in their meeting. it was taken the wrong way. greta: now i have a misunderstanding of their misunderstand. we are giving you money, and you are complaining about the strings. what do i not get? >> i will give you an example. one of the features in the bill was to say that the united states has to verify that there is civilian control over the military. well, i can see why the government and the people -- we just got rid of a military government because we wanted a democracy, and the democracy is now in place, and we are in charge, and why would you question that? do you see what they mean? we just have to be aware. the point is is that what that
bill was intended to do is demonstrate a long-term commitment to pakistan, which i think is absolutely right. what it did not do was impose micromanaging and the rest of it, but what was absolutely clear is that when we give aid anywhere, we have accountability measures. i explained that. this is not unique to pakistan. wheat back to that. i think it could have been cleaner and simpler that said that we need to make sure that whatever aid we give has to go where it was said. that is exactly the kind of straightforward, expectation -- straight for the expectation. greta: are you confident that the nuclear weapons in this country are secure? at least i have read that if we do not help them out financially, the government is going to crumble, so i assume we need to financially help them sell their government does not crumble and that their weapons remain safe -- so their
government does not crumble. >> i am not sure the democratic government is under that kind of threat, but we want to strengthen democratic institutions in pakistan. we want to create the conditions where the people of pakistan have a stake in the future that they are trying to build together. we want to eliminate any kind of, you know, a safe haven or any kind of support for these terrorist groups. it is in our interests, but it is also in the interest of the pakistan any -- pakistanis. that is what i get up every day and work on. greta: and it bleeds over into this country. you cannot look at it in the vacuum that when the president makes the decision on afghanistan -- >> absolutely. when we first did our review upon taking office, we concluded
that you have to look at afghanistan and pakistan together, in light of the war on terror that we had to wage, and we are well aware that the stronger the partnership we have with pakistan, the stronger their efforts to root out terrorists in their own country, the better the situation is across the border in afghanistan. greta: so why do you like this job? i am not kidding. why do you like this job? it is so complicated. >> it is. it is complicated and very hard. first of all, i believe the united states has an essential role to play in the world. there is not a problem that we can walk away from, but we have to prioritize, because we cannot be all things to all people, but we have to be out there, trying, trying to get people to come to our side to understand how we see the world, and i believe that it is absolutely critically important. it is probably more complicated
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[captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- greta: now, you are heading to germany. that berlin wall finally came down, and george h.w. bush was in office when the wall came down. president bush gives you the inside story. mr. president, nice to see you, sir. >> nice to see you. greta: you have always made a big impact here in germany. >> is that not nice? greta: it is not a little coverage, it is a lot of coverage, and i like this one. >> that is right. it was a wonderful reunion with
two men that i have not on the respect for but friendship. it was very nice. greta: d'backs to about 1959, 1960 -- take me back to about 1959, 1960. what was it like before the wall went up? >> it was hard to believe that there would be freed on one side of the wall. one side denying all of human rights, and the other side was freedom, and they said when they saw the advertisements from the west going into the east, that just stirred up public opinion on the east side, and it was inevitable, i guess, eventually, but it happened so fast, faster than any of us thought. greta: when i was a young girl, it seemed that that berlin wall would always be there. i never thought it would come
down. >> well, i think a lot of people felt that way, and when i took office, a lot of people felt that way, but it was the long- term objective of the united states that it to come down, and it did, and it would not have happened if a gorgeous had not believed in self-determination -- it warmed jeff -- if gorbachev had not believed in self-determination. everybody gets a little taste of freedom. greta: in the early 1980's, when you were vice president, and chancellor kohl decided to get more involved with the pershing missiles. am i right about that? >> yes, the deployment of the pershing missiles was a very big one. a lot of people did not want it, but we went ahead, and he went ahead, and deployed the missiles, and that showed a real
commitment to the west, you might say, and it was controversial, and he and i got into a couple of big demonstrations against it back. i was vice president then, but it was a turning point. greta: as i remember, there were selling the whole concept of the pershing missiles here in germany. >> not just here but around the rest of europe, because there was a lot of skepticism. the netherlands, you name it, so we had to convince people that this was not detrimental to their own security. they would not be targets because of the deployment of the pershing ii missile. greta greta: we heard that you got egged. >> yes, we had some eggs thrown
at us, but it is like a republican going into san francisco. greta: the chancellor and selling the pershing missile, did you ever think that what would come down? >> not then. not then, i really did not, but things happened really fast, and gorbacheve carried the day, you might say, with his glass nose. if it had not been with his vision, it might not have happened -- with his policies. our unwavering support, it would not have happened. without that, it would not have happened. i know we had a great team working on that and they all deserve credit. greta: it would be the hardest to have you take credit in that time. i wrote a list. if i can find my list -- it is
that you presided over the wall coming down. and nobody thought that that wall with do that, but you were president. you presided over the reunification of germany while you were president. france did not want it. england did not want it, but that was done under your watch. you know, and coming here today, i figured one of the hardest things to do was f for y to take credit for all of the things when you were president. >> i do not deserve credit. we had a team working the problem. jim baker was extraordinarily helpful in negotiating with the others, in europe. it was a team effort, and i was blessed by having a strong team, all of whom were committed to having freedom in the heart of europe. greta: i do not want to quibble with you, but it is the historic fact that you're in the middle of it, and the president gets
criticized when things are not good, so you ought to take credit for the remarkable things that happen when you have good things to. >> my mother is looking down from heaven, and she always said, "give the other guy credit." greta: up next, president bush takes you behind the scenes to the oval office, when he first heard that the berlin wall was coming down. ths usap . a kif e frrt juuswns tteviger nddohet. thto. in t. u t iay nos.dr ouowit a. u t iay nos.dr cue? om de ws s.
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greta: up next, more with former president george h.w. bush, but first, we go to our new york newsroom with ainsley earhardt. >> for saidd it had nearly $1 billion in profits, crediting it to cost cutting, and the success of the cash for clunkers program bringing people into the showroom. ford is also expecting to have a profitable 2011 -- ford said it had nearly $1 billion in profits. the afghan leader declared the winner by default. mr. obama is also saying that he wants afghanistan ready to defend itself when international troops withdraw. i am not ainsley earhardt. we now go back to "on the record with greta van susteren." if you would like more on these
stories, check out our website, foxnews.com. greta: george bush, 20 years after the fall of the berlin wall. in the months leading up to the wall coming down, let's go back to mike this summer the wall came down, this summer. you saw the unrest that was building. >> yes, you did, and it was probable. you could feel it, but i was not sure it would result in the wall actually coming down -- it was palpable. it had a momentum of its own, and these young people particularly got their hammers and started hammering away. it was inevitable, you might say, but i did not think it would happen as soon as it did. greta: what? >> because it had been there so long and so tough -- why? >> because it had been there so long and so tough.
it is funny that you think of germany divided, and now, you come to berlin and it is united, and it is hard to believe that there was this division, a wall that separated family farm family and certainly ideology from ideology, -- family from family, and certainly ideology from ideology. greta: the first hemmer hit on the wall. do you remember? >> -- the first chammer hit on the wall. do you remember? >> i got in trouble for not being emotional enough. i was asked why i did not stress the emotion of the american people and go and dance on the
wall with these young people. it would have been the stupidest thing, in my view, i could do. we did not know how the soviet military was going to react. we did not know if they were just going to say to gorbachev, "enough. we are not going to be kicked around like this." will use diplomacy. it would have been a crazy idea for the american president to beat his chest and, over here and get three points in the polls -- and come over here. greta: there was a lot of uncertainty, around the unification of germany. margaret thatcher was not wild about it, what she? >> no, she had reservations, and so did françois mitterrand. you're being devastated by world war ii and world war i, --
europe being devastated. they had in mind a militant germany. they did not know if it would be good to have a unified germany in the heart of europe, and in my view, germany has earned the right to have a democracy right there in the heart of europe, so we had slight differences. they did not come out against it, but they were not very enthusiastic. let's put it that way, about the speed that it was happening. greta: if you did not live through the cold war, it may be hard to understand about how frightened people were. world war ii, of course, the devastation here in europe, it is hard. it is hard to have an appreciation of what kind of a huge event it was during your presidency that that wall came down and that there was unification. it was giant. >> it was major. you come to germany, like we did the last couple of days, and you
see these emotional people, it is just great. greta: you never take credit for anything, so i am going to exempt you. who are the heroes on the wall coming down? >> i think clinton gorbachev. clearly helmut kohl -- i think clearly gorbachev. bringing europe onboard, reassuring the poles. there is plenty of credit to go round, and to that degree -- greta: in the days and months after the wall came down, i imagine there was a flurry about where the world was going to go. what were your thoughts about what the role of germany would be in europe? >> i think it was a goal of mine
that i stated at a speech prior to all of this. and i think it became a reality. that was a goal, and it proved to be realizable goal. greta: you guys come here, and you guys are rock stars because you utterly changed this country. the way this country as compared to what it is 21 years ago. >> -- the way this country is compared to what it was 21 years ago. >> the young people in germany, how many remember about the wall. i am sure in our country, people do not remember. soccer games to go to. important events on their own current events calendar, but i think a lot of people do not
remember how divisive the wall was and what it meant for freedom when the wall came down. greta: people who did not live to this period of time, i think one of the best ways to see it, there is a big chunk of the wall, and you can see on one side, there is beautiful color, creed c. graffiti, and on the other side, it is dark and cold -- there is beautiful color, crazy graffiti. >> the image that sticks in my mind is the image of a man who was shot as he tried to liveave east germany to come to the west, to come to freedom, and they left him bleeding to death in the sort of no-man's land, and you see pictures of the guard's coming out and dragging him in. that one still lives in my mind. greta: do you think you're a
service in world war two has a bearing on this? -- your service in world war ii has a bearing on this? >> i do not know that it has a direct bearing on how i handled the wall coming down situation, but my military service and being in combat with a fierce and in the -- a fierce enemy in those days, japan, it served me well because i realized that without american power and without american conviction, it would not have happened, and i also realized that even though japan was an enemy, they would not be enemies forever, in japan is a friendly country, a democracy, -- and japan is a friendly country, and we can look at them as a dramatic change. greta: communism, it seems it is
disappearing from this planet, but what about north korea? do you think we will ever see it go there? >> yes, eventually, there will be some change there. they cannot hold out with this rigid totalitarianism for a long, i do not think. greta: it is nice to see you. >> thanks for stopping by which your busy schedule, greta. greta: and i am sure they are ecstatic to see you year -- thanks for stopping by with your busy schedule. greta: i am sure they are ecstatic to see you here. thank you, sir. we are posting the entirety of our interviews with secretary clinton and president bush on gretawire. up next, rush limbaugh calls president obama a man-child president. ugcl)
sarah palin endorsed the conservative candidate and doug hoffman. -- vice-president biden is campaigning for bill rowlands. -- bill owens. he said that it was more difficult than "drill, baby, drill." she fired back using facebook. there is one way to tell vice- president biden that we are tired of folks distorting our message and hampering our progress. "hoffman, baby, hoffman." and rush limbaugh was during the present during an interview with chris wallace on "fox news sunday" -- securing -- secure --
skewering the president. you never been calling him a man child. >> he has no experience running a thing -- you have been calling him a man child. >> he has no experience running anything. he is able to focus of attention on him all of the time. he is narcissistic. that description is simply a way to cut through it and say that he is in mature, inexperienced, and over his head. greta: there is rush, and the best of the rest. still ahead, last call. a youtube sensation. actor christopher walken doing his best lady gaga impersonation.
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